The Classical Music Email List Directory

New things:

Classical Email Directory Guestbook!

Regular users of this page will know that I have been absolutely pathetic about updating sites. I have a bunch of lists to run, and pages to maintain, and actual work :) and have been terrible about taking people's mailed in list info and organizing them to the table format of the page and htmling them and all. Anyway, to simply my life and make this list more current, I've added a guestbook. Guestbook has two purposes:

1. You can leave public feedback

2. More importantly, if you have a list you want to add to the list or information you wish to update, put it right in the guest book and it will be immediately accessible. And I'll be able to transfer your information over to the main page much more easily.

Sign the Classical List Directory Guestbook

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This page has two purposes. First, to provide a directory of all classical music related internet lists. Second, recognizing that many classical music fans know little or nothing about computers or the internet, this page attempts to explain how lists work in, at times, annoyingly minute detail. If you were searching under "classical music" and this page came up, but you aren't really interested in email lists, check out what is probably the best and most complete classical music web site:  Dave Lampson's

The directory is first.  Following the directory is a rather long section with instructions on how to work with the programs that administrate the lists, as well as things to remember when participating in a list.

What classical music lists exist?

Below is a chart giving the subscription instructions and a short description of each list. Please mail me if there is a list you run or are a member of that I do not list. Please send your mail to and put as your subject line "list submission" In the past I haven't been great about updating the list b/c I get tons of administrative messages a day and just lose track of loose submissions for this page. Using the subject line "list submission" will send the message to reserved mail box.

Depending on how your system displays tables, some lines in the subscription information box may run over-length and be continued onto another line, which a hyphen stuck in the address. If that is the case for you, try setting your browser to use a smaller font, and/or expand your browser to full screen. The reason I ask you to do this is that the addresses will not work if your browser is inserting hyphens where they don't belong.

The lists below run the gamut in specificity--classm-l has no real list topic at all, while other lists may focus on particular composers, genres, or even instruments. You will receive a welcome message that will include any instructions as far as limiting discussion to certain topics. Please remember that every list in this chart has a listowner who monitors the list and knows what topics people are posting about. If you think someone is posting off-topic messages, contact THE LISTOWNER if he or she has not dealt with the problem. Do not start posting messages to the list complaining about off-topic posts. Your complaints themselves are off-topic, and usually generate more off-topic reply mail than the original offender. The list topic is a matter under the control of the listowner. Please allow the listowner to manage the list.

General lists

These lists are general interest lists without specific topics. Generally, classm-l is for discussion of any kind of instrumental classical music, opera-l is for discussion of most classical/opera-related music with voice (ie, opera, lieder, broadway, etc.), while classical encompasses whatever classical music-related topics subscribers wish to discuss.
mail with:  
subscribe classical Your Name   

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set classical digest   

-or- use the web page: 

Classical is the Moderated Classical Music List, a high volume but high quality list hosted by Dave Lampson. The list is moderated, meaning that incoming messages are okayed by Dave before they are sent to the list. This cuts down/eliminates non-classical music posts, one line chat messages, mistracked personal emails, etc. The list subject is discussion of classical music, with no specialty as far as period, or genre (chamber, orchestral, vocal classical music all qualify as being on-topic). Classical is a high traffic list. You can get additional information through: If you are interested in joining only one classical music list, Dave's is the list to join. Highly recommended, and I'm "the competition." ;)
mail with:   

subscribe classm-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set classm-l digest 

Dave Lampson's Moderated Classical Music List was started, at least in part, as an option to classm-l. Classm-l is the oldest classical music list on the internet, but rather than being a list about classical music, classm-l is a list made up of people that listen to classical music but discuss many topics. There is no set list topic or limitations on classm-l. Generally, however, classm-l discussion does not involve vocal music. Classm-l is, much of the time, very high traffic, with much of the traffic not involving classical music. However, many find it stimulating to discuss many topics with others that share a common interest, so classm-l and classical are equal alternatives. I'm now the listowner over at classm-l, after the list had spent a couple of years with no one running the thing. The list had gotten more than a bit chaotic, but now is much calmer and a good list to join for classical chat. Probably the best list for you to join if you are looking to meet other classical fans.
mail with:   

subscribe opera-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set opera-l digest 

Opera-l is the other grand daddy internet list. Opera-l resides on the City University of New York's server, and is run by Bob Kosovsky. Opera-l once spewed forth hundreds of kilobytes a day discussing opera and every other subject under the sun, but the amount of traffic crashed its old host and forced relocation to CUNY. CUNY also couldn't handle the load, so now the number of posts a day distributed by opera-l is restricted, resulting in subscribers focusing much more on opera and other vocal music (operetta some, lieder a little bit, and Broadway a very little bit) as the list topic. Opera-l is still a high volume list (50-75 messages a day) but also a very high quality list. Again, if you are only going to join one list and are a fan of vocal music, opera-l is your list to join.
To subscribe, mail with:

subscribe phonogram


subscribe phonogram-digest 

for the digest version

Phonogram is a discussion group for those who listen to, collect, or otherwise enjoy music on records.  The group is an open, informative, interesting, and just plain fun place for people to share their enthusiasm for, knowledge of, and opinions on music on shiny black discs.  Although the focus is primarily on 33 1/3 RPM vinyl LPs, comments and questions on 45s, 78s, reel to reel tapes, or other media (even CeeDees) are welcome. Discussion of hardware supporting record playback (e.g., turntables, tonearms, cartridges, phono stages, and accessories) is fair game as well. Whatever material related to the
enjoyment of records that catches the members' interest is welcome grist for the discussion mill.

  Vocal genre-specific lists

mai with:  

subscribe c-opera Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set c-opera digest

For discussion concerning contemporary opera and music theatre
mail with:   

subscribe lieder-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set lieder-l digest 

Lieder-l is a list devoted to discussion of the art song. Art songs include German lieder (hence the list name), French melodies, and art songs in many other languages: Russian, English, Czech, etc. The list is called lieder-l b/c lieder is the most commonly known type of art song, but the list itself is not restricted to discussion of German songs. 
mail with:   

subscribe operetta-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set operetta-l digest

Operetta-l is devoted to discussion of operetta, classic Broadway musicals, Gilbert & Sullivan, Weill/Bernstein/Gershwin, and light concert music.
mail with:

subscribe la-divina 

to receive the digest version:

susbcribe la-divina-digest

Discussion concerning Maria Callas.

  Composer-related/specific lists

BACH-LIST (JS Bach and the rest of the Bach composers)   

mai with:  

subscribe bach-list Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set bach-list digest 

Bach-list is for discussion of JS Bach, the other Bach family composers, as well as baroque and early classical music in general.   

List homepage is:

BRAHMS-L mail with  
subscribe brahms-l
For discussion of Brahms and his music. 
CHOPIN-L mail with  
subscribe chopin-l
For discussion of Chopin and his music. 
DSCH-L (Shostakovich and Other Russian/Soviet composers and music) mail with:   

subscribe dsch-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set bmusic-l digest 

Although the name is DSCH-L, the list was conceived as a Russian classical music list, with emphasis on Shostakovich.   

List homepage is:


Send e-mail to 

in the body of the message, type 


 HANDEL-L is a discussion list sponsored by The American Handel Society devoted to discussion of the life and times of George Frideric Handel (1685-1759) and that of his contemporaries whose work was related to his. 
LISZT-L mail with  
subscribe listzt-l
For discussion of Liszt and his music


With: subscribe ludwig Your Name 


For discussion of Beethoven, his music, his life, recordings, etc.
MAHLER-LIST (Mahler and Other Late-Romantic Composers and Music) mail with:   

Subscribe mahler-list Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set mahler-list digest 

Mahler-list centers around discussion of Mahler and his music, but also is intended to be a list for discussion of late and post-romantic music, generally anything from Brahms to Korngold.  It has also become the place to discuss various old-time conductors, such as Walter, Klemperer, Barbirolli, etc. List homepage is: 



List one: mail with:  
subscribe schubert-l Your name  

List two: mail with:  
subscribe schubert-l  


Believe it or not, there are two Schubert lists. I started one when I didn't know the other existed. The one I started has a few more subscribers, a little bit more activity (little activity, compared to none for the other list.) Go ahead and join both--I guarantee the traffic will not kill you. 
SCHUMANN-L mail with  
subscribe schumann-l
For discussion of Schumann and his music. 

John Cage list 

Mail with: 

Subscribe silence  


Subscribe silence-digest 


This list is for discussions of the music, philosophies, writings, art, life, influences, and influence of the late John Cage. The list includes a wide range of members, ranging from those who have recently read or heard of him for the first time to experts on his work. It is not connected in any way with the John Cage estate.

  Performer-specific lists

Mail with: 

subscribe f_minor

This mailing list is for the discussion of the recordings, broadcasts and philosophy of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould.

(Furtwaengler list) 

To subscribe, send an email to: with the word "subscribe" in the message body

  This is an unmoderated list for discussion of the life and work of the German conductor Wihelm Furtwaengler. 

The list's FAQ is located at:


[No subscribe info. Mail for possible info]. 

This mailing list is the discussion on the great pianist, Vladmir Horowitz, whether it is his recordings, his approach to music and any other thing of his.

  Period-specific lists


subscribe earlym-l Your Name  

where Your Name is your real name.  

To join the digest add the line:  

set earlym-l digest 

[Program pretends to be listserv, but is actually a different server called LISTPROC. Many listproc sites masquerade as listserv, causing some measure of confusion.]

 EARLYM-L and the newsgroup are linked. They were created to provide a forum for exchange of news and views about  

 i)   medieval, renaissance and baroque music  
      (sacred and secular - both `art' and `folk')  
      derived as part of European culture, its  
      researchers, performers, instruments,  
      instrument-makers, festivals, concerts and  
      societies, records, song texts and translations,  
      machine-readable notations of (early) music;  

 ii)  authenticity in music of (these and) later periods, e.g. classical and romantic.


mail with : 

subscribe post-classical  


subscribe post-classical-digest

Purpose: For the discussion of artists and their works who fall within the following boundaries: 1) Derivative - artists generally considered outside the classical genre but whom incorporate traditional classical components in a predominantly unconventional manner. Instrumentation may either be accoustically or electronically generated, but usually fused with another musical style. 2) Experimental - artists generally considered within the classical genre but whom work outside the boundaries of traditional classical structure. Instrumentation is usually acoustically generated, but often by unconventional means.)

  Geographic-centered lists
BMUSIC-L (British Classical Music)  
mail with:   

subscribe bmusic-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set bmusic-l digest 

Bmusic-l is a list devoted to discussion of British classical and folk music. All time periods are included, as open for discussion, as are all British (UK and Ireland) composers, performers (past and present), ensembles, labels, publishers, organizations, etc.   

List homepage is:


To subscribe, mail with:  

Subscribe finlandia

The purpose of Finlandia is to offer a forum of discussion about Finnish classical and modern composers, their life and works, performing artists and orchestras, Finnish publications (scores, books, sheet music etc.), recordings (CD, LP - even video) and the music life in general. Subscriptions from specialists in Finnish music are warmly appreciated! Archives at:   



(Swedish church music) 

mail with: 

subscribe kyrkomusik-l

Mail <> with: 

subscribe kyrkomusik-l 

  For discussions (in swedish) about church music - instrumental and vocal. The website "Swedish organs on the net" is maintained by the list owner and points out the list archive.

SCANDINAVIANM-L (British Classical Music)  
mail with:   

subscribe scandinavianm-l Your Name  

to receive the digest version, add to your message, following the command above:  

set scandinavianm-l digest 


Scandinavianm-l is a list devoted to discussion of Scandinavianclassical and folk music. All time periods are included, as open for discussion, as are Scandinavian composers, performers (past and present), ensembles, labels, publishers, organizations, etc.

  Performance lists, non-keyboard

There are many keyboard instrument lists, so they are in a separate section.

Orchestral performance and conducting:

ORCHESTRALIST (professional list for orchestra members and composers)   

To susbcribe, mail with:  

subscribe orchestralist  

include an additional command,  

set orchestralist mail digest  

to get the digest

Orchestralist is a list intended for professionals--performers and composers. Anyone can subscribe, but posting is reserved for profesionals.

Mail with: 

Subscribe termine

  TERMINE is designed to be a source of information for professional users who need to be informed about upcoming concerts of contemporary music very far ahead of time. 

Promoters of contemporary music are asked to post their information as detailed as possible as soon as it is available. 

You don't have to be a subscriber to post information on this mailing list, but it is recommended.

  Vocal performance and conducting:

To subscribe, send email to
and in the body of the message, put
subscribe choralist  Firstname Lastname

Purpose: For the exchange of information and ideas between
practicing choral conductors. Choralist is open to anyone
but is specifically oriented towards information dissemination
for the choral conducting professional. 

For more info:


To subscribe, send email to
and in the body of the message, put
subscribe choralacademe  Firstname Lastname

ChoralAcademe is dedicated to the exchange of information and ideas between practicing choral scholars. ChoralAcademe is open to anyone but is specifically oriented towards research into choral performance practice and other information for the choral profession. If you are a music student or singer, your presence is welcome, but please bear in mind that the list is intended to serve choral professionals.

To subscribe, send email to
and in the body of the message, put
subscribe choraltalk  Firstname Lastname

ChoralTalk is intended to be a forum for more informal and extended discussion of choral music topics than which is permitted/allowed on Choralist. It is open to conductors, singers, administrators, and students, but the primary rules is that the topics relate to choral music and musicians.

(a list for discussion of and by vocal performers) 

To subscribe, mail: with:
subscribe vocalist 

VOCALIST was started to get together singers all over the world and to offer a forum of discussion on teaching and studying singing. On the mailing list subscribers talk about technique, repertoire and interpretation am ong other things. All levels of skill and all styles of singing are covered and there are over 600 subscribers. The language of the list is English and it is open to everyone. For information, go to

To subscribe, mail: with:
subscribe chorus

Formed in late 1991, the chorus mailing list is a forum for discussion of gay & lesbian choruses, their operations & performances.  Membership to the mailing list is open to all, straight or gay, performing or non-performing,
chorus member or no.

  Instrumental performance, non-keyboard:



Purpose: A discussion group for people interested in brass musical performance and related topics, especially small musical ensembles of all kinds. List owner: (Ted Zateslo)

How to subscribe: send mail to with 

Subject: subscribe

  Brief description: This list is concerned with all aspects of the classical guitar - construction, playing, music for the guitar, guitar compositions etc..

Contact: (Ronn Boyd) 

Purpose: For discussion of all matters relating to doublereed instruments, including fingerings, care of instruments, music, cane, acoustics, instruments for sale, upcoming interesting performances, etc.



An unmoderated mailing list devoted to flute related matters. All topics related to both professional and amateur flute playing will be warmly accepted. Flute players, teachers, students, makers, repair technicians, and anyone with an interest in the flute are encouraged to participate. 


This a mailing list to facilitate the discussion of the flute. Appropriate topics include: flute playing, players, and flute music. Owner: Cara Camcastle <>
HORNS (International Horn Society maillist)  

Mail with: 


This Internet discussion group is administered in the name of the International Horn Society, and its purpose is to provide a forum for electronic conversation about all things relating to the (French) horn: repertoire, teachers and students, pedagogy, workshop and festival announcements, alternate fingerings, the nasty business about whether stopping raises or lowers pitch, horn players versus conductors, horn humor and anecdotes, instrumental repair and technology, scholarly reports, orchestra or band music, chamber ensembles, relations with other brass instruments, or anything else the subscribers may want to take on. Although the initial list was sponsored by the International Horn Society, list membership is open to all interested
HISTORIC BRASS To get all messages of the list, send an email to giving a few words about yourself and yourresearch interests and you will be added to the list within a few days.

Contact: (Wayne B. Cripps) 

Purpose: For lute players and researchers of lute music. brass

Mail with: 

sub tombone-l Your Name

Trombone performer's list.

Mail with: 

Subscribe trumpet-l 


This unmoderated list is devoted to the subject of the trumpet. Messages on the topic of the trumpet or anything related to it are allowed on this list. The individuals posting messages here are solely responsible for the content of their own messages.

  Piano/Keyboard instrument lists



Mail with  


HPSCHD-L is devoted to early stringed keyboard instruments: harpsichords, clavichords, fortepianos, virginals, and all similar instruments except the modern piano. The list is an open forum for all topics related to these instruments, including their theory and principles of construction, decoration, and history and evolution from their earliest beginnings through modern times. Other topics for discussion include performers on these instruments, performance practice, literature, pedagogy, care and ownership. We may also stray to include ads of instruments/music/ recordings for sale or wanted, discussion of performances or recordings, and musical editions
KEYB-LIT-L mail with  
subscribe keyb-lit-l
For discussion of keyboard literature
PIANO-L with:  

subscribe piano-l

A list for discussion among piano performers and educators. Archives available at:
You can subscribe to the list by sending an e-mail with the text (not subject) subscribe community-music [or, community-music-digest] to majordomo@a   

subscribe community-music  

or community-music digest  


The community-music mailing list, established in July, 1995, allows those interested in community bands as well as orchestras to share concerns, programs, and other information. We also have some web resources, at , and I invite anyone to have a look to see what the list is all about. 
PIANOFORTE (a list for discussion of and by piano performers) To subscribe, mail: with:  
subscribe pianoforte

A list for discussion among piano performers. Focuses on classical piano. Archives are located at: 

To subscribe, mail with: 

Subscribe Firstname Lastname 


PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics  





Mail with  


PIPORG-L discusses musical, technical and historical aspects of organs of all kinds -- classical, theater, electronic, reed, tracker, electropneumatic, etc., etc. Stoplists, recitals (past and future), recordings, jobs (wanted and available), restoration hints, news of progress in restoration projects are all interesting. Requests for advice or information are encouraged, and stories of your experiences and knowledge are eagerly consumed. In short, if it is interesting and about organs, this group would like to hear about it. 
18-PNO-L mail with  
subscribe 18-pno-l
For discussion of 18th century piano works
20-PNO-L mail with  
subscribe 20-pno-l
For discussion of 20th century piano works
PNO-FAC-L mail with  
subscribe pno-fac-l
For discussion issues concerning piano faculties
PNO-PED-L mail with:  
subscribe pno-ped-l
For discussion of piano teaching.
PNO-MED-L mail with  
subscribe pno-med-l
Medical issues concerning pianists

  Musicology lists at

EUROMUSICOLOGY join euromusicology send the following command, (typing your own personal names instead of firstname(s) and lastname)  

join euromusicology firstname(s) lastname  

as the only text in the body of a message addressed to:  


Euromusicology is based on a network of music departments established with EU funding over the past 5 years in most of the countries of Western and Central Europe. It will be used for discussing European issues in musicology and publicizing forthcoming events and matters of interest, etc. List home page is:

To join ilm send the following command, (typing your own personal names instead of firstname(s) and lastname)  

join ilm firstname(s) lastname  

   as the only text in the body of a message addressed to:


Iberian and Latin-American Music mailing list (ILM) enables those engaged on research into music in the Iberian peninsula and Latin America to exchange information and ideas. This includes new archival research, details of relevant conf erences, publications and work in progress.

To join med-and-ren-music send the following command, (typing your own personal names instead of firstname(s) and lastname)  

join med-and-ren-music firstname(s) lastname  

as the only text in the body of a message addressed to:


This list enables those engaged on research into any aspect of Medieval and Renaissance Music to exchange information. This includes questions of research, conference details and reports, library information and any other useful materi al.

To join nineteenth-century-music send the following command, (typing your own personal names instead of firstname(s) and lastname)  

join nineteenth-century-music firstname(s) lastname  

as the only text in the body of a message addressed to:


Academic discussion list for the history, theory and analysis of nineteenth-century music

To join musical-asesthetics send the following command, (typing your own personal names instead of firstname(s) and lastname)  

join musical-aesthetics firstname(s) astname  

as the only text in the body of a message addressed to:


A philosophical discussion of problems in musical aesthetics and analytical approaches, and a forum for debating current issues in this field.

To join musicology-all send the following command, (typing your own personal names instead of firstname(s) and lastname)  

join musicology-all firstname(s) lastname  

   as the only text in the body of a message addressed to:

Musicology-all is a masterlist of the above lists. What this means is that when you subscribe to musicology-all you have subscribed to all of the above mailbase musicology lists. So if you are interested in joining all six, just join musicology-all.

  Lists concerning electronic music




The Music-Research electronic mail redistribution list was established in Oxford in July 1986, to provide an effective means of bringing together musicologists, music analysts, computer scientists, and others working on applications of computers in music research. As with any forum for discussion, there are certain subject areas which are of particular interest to the group of people on this list. Initially, the list was established for people whose chief interests concern computers and their applications to music representation systems, information retrieval systems for mucial scores, music printing, music analysis, musicology and ethnomusicology and tertiary music education. The following areas are not the principal conern of this list, although overlapping subjects may well be interesting: primary and secondary education, sound generation techniques and composition. Articles on electronic music, synthesizers, MIDI, etc, will be rejected and should be sent to the appropriate alternative list.

Mail with: 

Subscribe emusic-l 


This list is intended to serve those interested in discussions of Electronic Music and all attendant topics. Conversation is welcome and encouraged on topics of Emusic composition, criticism, technology, and technique. Timbral research, MIDI programming, sly tricks for old machines, reviews of new toys are all dear to our hearts. Announcements of events and help wanted are fine. Ads for commercial products are not. 

  Misc. musicology and theory lists


With: subscribe classica Your Name 


The basic purpose of the list is to serve as a forum for scholarly discussions and as a clearinghouse for the distribution of information on concerts, performing opportunities, academic conferences, publication opportunities, fellowship information, academic grants, and job openings of interest to Classical Music scholars , performers or music teachers and pupils. 

For more information about CLASSICA list, point your web browser at our Home Page:


The Society for Music Theory's list. 

This list is open to professionals and serious theory students only. To subscribe, just mail the list address and your message will be intercepted by the list owner, and some questions will be sent to you concerning subscribing to the list.

List devoted to discussion of music theory by professionals or soon-to-be professionals. 

The homepage for the Society for Music Theory is: 


 Mail list subscription and unsubscription FAQ and Good Manners FAQ

This page covers the following subjects--click on the subject to jump to the applicable section.

What are email lists?

Why join an email list?

How do email lists work?

What are some basics I need to know?

General list participation guidelines?

What are email lists?

Email is the most common and basic level to the internet. Folks that can't access the Web, can't access Usenet, can't FTP or use the latest Java doohickies, etc., can send email to others through the internet.

Imagine that you've found a few people that share an interest with you. You want to discuss that common interest through email. So each of you trades email with one another, with you forwarding each message you write to the members of your group and each other member doing the same thing. When it's just five or six of you, that isn't very hard to do. You have a little email address book, and put the peoples' names in the To line or CC line of your mail and off you go. What do you do when 200 other people share that interest? Or 1000? Address book a little full?

Email lists solve that problem by having a central address for you and other list subscribers to write to. You send one message to that central address and copies of your message are sent to everyone that is interested. The way they show they are interested is by joining the group--subscribing to the list. Now you only have to write to the central address--the list address--to write to the others--which is called posting to the list.

Some lists are run out of a person's account, with that one person receiving all the messages and forwarding them out, with that same person keeping track of who has subscribed and who has left the list--called unsubscribing. Generally, running a list in that way is a big pain in the butt. Recognizing that that system was too labor intensive for one person, programmers long ago began writing programs that could administrate much of the process. Most lists are now run using one of a limited number of programs (which we will get into later) to handle the mundane aspects of the list. People join the list not by writing to the person who runs the list--the listowner--but rather by writing to an address that pipes directly to the program running the list--the list administration program . The most popular list administration program is called listserv, and this has led some people to call all list administration programs "the listserv." This isn't accurate usage--listserv isn't the only administration program; the other programs don't use all the same commands as listserv. Worse, some insist on calling the list itself "the listserv." Again, not really accurate.

Subscribers also write to the administration program to leave the list, to change various configuration options, etc. The listowner thus can concentrate on managing, monitoring, and participating in the list.

Why join an email list?

The Internet offers numerous forums for discussing classical music. My favorites are email lists. The other main forums are usenet newsgroups. Usenet was, in a way, an offshoot of email lists. For example, say 100 people at a certain system were subscribed to a science fiction list. Each one of them receives all the list's posts. So 100 copies of each message take up space on the system. Usenet was a good idea--have set groups, have posts to groups forwarded automatically to each system, but have the posts set up like a bulletin board, where only one copy of each message exists on the system and all the users interested can access the posts. Worked great, except that there is absolutely no security or control over the forwarding of usenet posts--anyone can post, and individual systems have to either automatically accept all the posts for that newsgroup or not have the newsgroup at all. Back when everyone on the net was a researcher, professor, or student that worked. Once the general public got access to usenet, though, usenet became almost useless. Since nobody can be prevented from posting, every gibbering idiot with a keyboard can post on usenet and nobody can do a thing about them, and since there is no security or control over what posts are accepted, usenet is filled with faked messages, pyramid schemes, etc. etc. etc. The benefits of lists as opposed to newsgroups are as follows:

1) the message come to you. You don't have to keep checking a newsgroup, the post just show up in your inbox.

2) list posting is generally limited to members of the list. As a result, you don't have people posting spams, make money fast schemes, crossposted messages to 20 forums, etc. Also, there is much less "post and run" type posting. The people participating in the list are usually folks that plan on belonging to the list long term, and are therefore much less likely to post something obnoxious or stupid.

3) Because folks are members for long periods of time (I have owned some of my lists for going on three years now, and several people that subscribed the first week the lists existed are still members), there is a great deal of institutional memory and knowledge.

The negatives are reflections of the positives:

1) messages are always arriving, so if you subscribe to all of these lists you may have days where you receive 500 pieces of email. If you have mail software that can filter messages to separate folders (Eudora, Pegasus, and many other programs have this feature built in), the load isn't quite as daunting--you can pick through the various lists' posts and read those that interest you, and delete the rest. However, if you receive all mail in one inbox and don't know how to set your software to automatic ally filter your mail, you might want to start by subscribing to just one or two heavy traffic lists to gauge whether you can handle the mail load or not. Another option is receive the list posts as a digest, where instead of receiving dozens of separate messages, you receive only one or two digests per list a day, with each digest being a compendium of that day's list posts.

2) because list members have been around for a while and members of the list for long periods of time, each list has its own "culture" to which new subscribers must acclimate themselves. The easy hint is to make sure to read the welcome message you receive when you first subscribe (that message will contain much important information: list policies, rules, instructions, options, and how to unsubscribe from the list), just sit back and read the list for a few days before deciding to post yourself, and make your first post a short message introducing yourself. After that, you should have an idea about how the list's population interrelates, and the list population will have idea of who you are.

How do email lists work?

Let's take a very simple email list with five subscribers. It is called a list because there exists a file listing the five subscribers:

The five have gotten together to discuss pottery and have named their list pottery-l. [Please note that many list names end in -l (and note that that is "hyphen letter lowercase L" and NOT "hyphen one"). They end in -l to show that they are a LIST addresses, and not regular user addresses).

Most lists are not run by hand. They are automated. A program or set of programs handles adding people to the list, unsubscribing them from the list, distributing list posts, and handling other subscriber requests. For example, we'll say that alice started potter-l by having the other folks mail her, and she would then distribute the message herself. So, for example, bob would send her an email about potter and she would then forward that message to ted, al and sue. Sue would send a response to Alice, and Alice would then forward that response to Bob, Ted, Al.

After a little while, Alice gets tired of forwarding all these messages and wishes she had a program that would automatically do that for her. In addition, Ted has decided to leave the list, and June, John and Sam want to join the list. So Alice moves the list to being run by a list administration program. [The two main list administration programs are majordomo and listserv.] So now Alice doesn't forward messages to the other members of the list--the program does. And Alice doesn't need to keep track o f who wants to be on the list and who wants to leave the list--the program does that for her.

Now that Alice's list is run by a program, Alice can let many more people be on the list. Soon their are 200 hundred people on the list, with several joining the list every day and another several leaving the list every day.

So you must remember that you are dealing with a program, not a person. A program responds to specific commands written a specific format. Requests written in conversational English that may be completely comprehensible to a person are gibberish to a program. For example: "Hi, please add me to the Mahler list" makes perfect sense to a human, h/e is impossible for a program to understand. In the chart below I give the exact syntax of the commands you should send. Don't be creative and attempt to add or subtract from what I suggest. You will only confuse the program.

Going back to our pottery-loving friends, when Alice began the list, the users only had to remember one address--Alice's. If they had a question about the list, they wrote to Alice's address. If they wanted to join or leave, they wrote to Alice's address. If they wanted to send a message to the list [called posting] they wrote to Alice's address. When the list moved to being computer-administrated, that all changed. T

he list needs a central address now that Alice wasn't handling the distribution anymore [called the list address, or, for short, just the list -when people say "wr ite to the list" they mean send an email to the list address].

The list needs a separate address people can write to in order to join or leave the list, or to change their subscription configurations [called the administrative address].

Finally, people need an address to use in order to reach Alice. Some people running lists [called listowners] don't participate often in list discussion, and subscribers might not know or remember who the listowner is, so will not know her personal email address. Long ago it became standardized (well, as much as anything can be standardized on the internet) that people could also write the listowner at an address that is the list addr ss plus the addition -owner [called the owner address.]

Lists, then, generally have three addresses:

  • the list address
  • the administrative address
  • and the owner address

Subscribe commands, unsubscribe commands, and any other configuration type commands go the automated administrative address. Questions, comments, etc. about the list meant to be read only by the list owner go the list owner address. You can also write to the list owner address if you have tried everything you can think of to make the list program work but you still can't get it to do what you want. Various list owners have differing amounts of time they can devote to the administration of their list s, and it is not unusual for a list owner to take days to respond to a message sent to them. So even though there is a list owner you can write to, you can usually get a much quicker result by figuring out how to properly pose your request to the automate d address.

The most common programs used to run lists are:

  • listserv
  • majordomo

Both work basically the same, but the commands for each have slightly different syntax.

Below you will find a generic listing of typical list addresses, and then specific examples. Where I write listname@system.dom, that doesn't mean their is a list actually called "listname" or a system called "system.dom" Those are the generics--listname means substitute the applicable list name of the list your are interested in, system is the generic for any system name ie "netcom" "aol" etc. Dom is the generic for any domain ie ".com" ".net" ".au" etc. The specific examples will be for pottery-l, if it was run by each program, with the list being run from the system


list address: listname@system.dom
example: -- automated administrative address: listserv@system.dom
example: -- list owner address: listname-owner@system.dom


list address: listname@system.dom
example: automated administrative address: majordomo@system.dom
example: list owner address: listname-owner@system.dom

 So, if pottery-l is majordomo list located, you write to to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. You write to to post to the list, and to when you need something that majordomo either can't do for you, or you can't figure out how exactly to tell majordomo to do what you want it to do.

The next section will cover how to do the most common tasks relating to lists. There will be a section covering majordomo lists, and a section covering listserv lists. Please keep this in mind: listserv lists all work the same. There might be an oddball or two out there, but for the most part if you know how to subscribe to one listserv list, you know how to subscribe to all of them. If you know how to unsubscribe from one listserv list, you know how to unsubscribe from all of them. One nice thing about listservs is that there are all connected--if you send your subscribe message to the wrong listserv, it will forward your request to the listserv now hosting the list you have identified. So, if you know a list is hosted by a listserv server, and you know the name of the list, you can subscribe by writing to any listserv server.

(The only complication to keep in mind is in the beginning listserv was written for machines running an operating system called VMS and was not a commercial program. Some people got together and wrote a version for UNIX and also called it listserv. Down the line, listserv became a commercial program available for additional operating systems such as UNIX and Windows. The alternative listserv program's name was changed to listproc. Listproc servers are not interconnected, are not connected to listserv servers, do not forward subscribe requests, and now sport different syntax for performing many operations. Which wouldn't be a problem except that some administrators using listproc insist on pretending their servers are listserv servers and have listserv@whatever as the administrative address. I've tried to identify the systems trying to pull this trick, but may have missed a few.)

What are some basics I need to know?

We will go back and forth between the two programs, listserv and majordomo, and will continue to use pottery-l as our example.


The first thing you need to do is join the list. Majordomo and listserv are slightly different in that listserv keeps track of what your name is, in addition to your email address. For example, if you are Doug Jones and you have the email address, majordomo only cares about your Listserv, on the other hand, needs to know your email address,, but also wants to know who you are. Listserv lists are generally more "serious" i n nature than majordomo lists, and it is kind of expected that folks joining a listserv list don't need to hide who they are.

To subscribe, you send a subscribe command to the program that runs the list. Commands go in the body of your message, not Subject line. Example of a message:

Subject: classical music email list directory

Jason, could you have gone into a bit more painful detail on your page?



Note that there's a section of the message with To, From, and Subject. That section is called the header and usually contains a few other lines, as well--the date the message was sent, for example. H/e, when typing in your message the To, From and Subject lines will usually be the only ones you are dealing with. The To line is what address the message is going to. The From line is usually set automatically to your address--many email programs won't even show the From line when you are writing the message, but you should know that line is there. The Subject line is where you indicate what your message is about.

Listserv and majordomo do not look at the subject line. They assume that if you are writing to program, it is because you have an administrative request. It is very important that you D O NOT put your request in the Subject line--it will be ignored. Requests go in the portion below the headers, in the part where you usually write your message to humans [called the message body or body of your message.] Requests go in the body of your message.

Subscribing to a listserv list

To subscribe to a listserv list, you write to:


For example, to join, you write to:

The request you send is:

subscribe listname Your Name

Where Your Name is your real name. For example, Doug Jones would join pottery-l by sending the message:

subscribe pottery-l Doug Jones

Subscribing to a majordomo list

To subscribe to a majordomo list, you write to:


For example, to join, you write to:

The request you send is:

subscribe listname

For example, Doug Jones would join pottery-l by sending the message:

subscribe pottery-l

Majordomo doesn't care what Doug's name is, it just wants to know that he wants to join the list.

Please note that neither program asks for your email address. Why not? Well, remember how I told you that your mail program automatically sticks in a From line? Majordomo and listserv read the info in that From line use that to add your email address to the list.

Subscription confirmation messages

One problem that turned up on the net is that people would send out subscribe messages with fake From lines. For example, if they were pissed at someone that would send out hundreds of subscribe requests using that person's address in the From line. That person would then be subbed to, and receiving mail from, hundreds of lists. This got to be a really problem around late-1995.

Realizing there was a problem, the authors of listserv added a feature: lists can be set so that when listserv gets a subscribe command from someone it won't automatically add them to a list. Instead, it sends out message asking whether that person is sure they want to join the list. The new subscriber simply replies to that message, and once the reply is received by listserv they are added to the list. That way, if someone fakes a subscription request their victim doesn't get added to the lis t. They just get an "are you sure" message, and if they don't want to join the list they just don't respond to the "are you sure" message.

Some of the people that ran majordomo lists also wanted this feature. However, new versions of majordomo appear much more slowly than new versions of listserv, and so a few people wrote an add-on to present majordomo program that will cause it to send confirmation requests. Because it is an add-on and not built into the program, many majordomo sites never added it. Also, some listserv list owners don't know about the feature or have never bothered to use it.

In short, sometimes you will get a confirmation request message, sometimes you won't--it depends on the list. If you get one and wish to join the list, reply as the message instructs. If you receive a confirmation request message and do not re ply to it, you will not be added to the list. Usually you have 48 hours to reply to the message. Wait longer and your initial request expires and you would need to send another subscribe request.


One constant source of amazement for listowers is the trouble some people have unsubscribing. Unless your system mucks up your email address sometime between when you subscribe and when you want to unsubscribe, getting off a list is the easiest thing in the world.

To unsubscribe, send a message to the adminstrative address saying:

unsubscribe listname


If pottery-l was a listserv list at you would write to with the message:

unsubscribe pottery-l

If pottery-l was a majordomo list at you would write to with the message:

unsubscribe pottery-l

Not exactly difficult.

The one and only problem people attempting to unsubscribe run into that isn't simply them screwing up the unsubscribe command is when the people that run their system have messed around with their email address. What do I mean by this? Explanation:

Remember when I said majordomo and listserv read your address from the From line of your subscribe command, and add that address to the list?

Let's take Bob Davis, a person who has an account at as an example. Bob's account is bdavis. His email address when he subscribes to the list is He's on the list for months. Eight months after subscribing to the list, he's going on vacations for a few weeks (or is just sick of pottery) and wants to leave the list. Problem: the idiots that run his system have fooled around when the system configuration so that messages from Bob no longer have From lines of bdavis@pitt. com. His mail now goes out saying it is from The problem is that majordomo and listserv are just programs--they execute commands, they don't figure things out. When they get an unsubscribe command from they try to find that address is the subscribe file. They can't find it because it isn't there.

There are two things to do. First, complain to the people that run your system because they shouldn't have screwed with system configuration in the first place, and should fix it. I've had the exact same mail address for years. Over that time, my system has swapped machines, reconfigured their network seventy times, changed their mail machine, I changed the type of account that I have--BUT THE ADDRESS OF MY ACCOUNT HAS NEVER CHANGED. Your shouldn't change either. It doesn't have to--the people that run your system are just being lazy. Complain.

That doesn't help in the short term, however, so what you need to do is write to the list owner asking him/her to remove you from the list. What you should do is first attempt to find out what address you were originally subscribed as. The easiest way is to get a copy of the subscriber file, take a look through the file, and find your old address. Then email the listowner to ask them to remove that old address.

Here's the steps, using pottery-l as an example:

For a majordomo list:

write to majordomo@system.dom with the request:

who listname

For pottery-l you would write to with the request:

who pottery-l

After you get the file mailed to you, find your address in it, and write to the list ower. The listowner address will be listname-owner@system.dom

For pottery-l, you would write to:

For a a listserv list:

write to listserv@system.dom with the request:

review listname

For pottery-l you would write to with the request:

review pottery-l

Note that majordomo and listserv use different commands. Some lists are private--you cannot get the subscribe file if you are not a subscriber. Since your problem is that you address does not match an existing subscriber, you can't get the sub scribe file on a private list. So then all you can do is write to the list owner.

 Receiving the digest

Another big question from some subscribers is how to get the list in digest form. What's a digest? The default for most lists is that people send in a message to the list and *boom* that message is piped out to the members of the list. Someone sends another message five minutes later and that message is sent to everyone. If twenty messages are sent to the list that day, the list subscribers receive twenty message each.

A digest is a different way of receiving the list. Instead of receiving twenty separate messages, you receive once a night the twenty posts put together in one piece of email. Digests are easier to manage if you are a member of several lists b/c instea d of receiving dozens and dozens of separate emails, you only receive one digest or two a day from each list.

Problems with digests:

1) not all lists have them

2) digests are difficult to respond to--usually when you respond to the message, you hit reply and your message has the same subject as the message you are replying to. The message you are reply to is quoted into your message, and you can cut and snip the parts you aren't reply to. With a digest, the subject line isn't kept and you have to re-enter it. Usually, either the entire digest is quoted--in which case you have major snipping to do--or nothing is quoted, in which case people can't see what you are replying to. So getting the digest is good for people that want to read the list but do not wish to participate in the list. Digests aren't good for people that want to participate.

3) when you receive the list as separate posts [called loose mail] you can easily delete messages you aren't interested in--just hit D) on most programs. When you get the digest, on the other hand, you can either delete the whole digest or nothing. So if there's a ten page post on a subject you don't care about, on the loose mail version you can tell from the first screen full that you aren't interested, so you hit D) and move on. When you get the digest, you have to page through all then pages to get to the next message. As a result of this, people that get lists in digest versions usually quit someone through each digest and messages that appear at the end of the digest are often never read by digest subscribers.

4) for most people, digests aren't necessary. Most common mail programs can now filter incoming email. For example, I use a program called Pegasus. I have set Pegasus to look at the headers of incoming mail. It can pick out certain patterns. M ail from a list usually shows up with the list name in To: line of the header. So list mail can be filtered by the To: line. I set Pegasus to take all incoming messages from classm-l (a large classical music list) and stick them in a separate folder called classm-l. That accomplished the same goal as receiving the digest--not letting list mail overwhelm your regular mail--while still giving me separate messages I can read and reply to.

That said, here's how to get the digest version, using pottery-l as an example:

Getting the digest version of listserv lists:

Listserv keeps a subscriber file with your email address, real name, and various configuration options for you. For example, it keeps track of whether you want digest or loose mail, whether you want to receive copies of your own posts or not, whether you want to receive a message from listserv telling you that your posts have been received by listserv, etc. You modify your configuration using the SET command. The command works like this:

SET listname option

Digest is an option. So you send the command:

SET listname digest

To stop getting the digest, you use the option nodigest. So you send the command:

SET listname nodigest

When you first subscribe to a listserv list, usually listserv will assume you want to be nodigest. So you have to tell listserv that you want the digest option.

For pottery-l, you would mail with:

SET pottery-l digest

You can include multiple commands in one message, so when first subscribing to a listserv list you can also include the set command on another line. For example, to subscribe to pottery-l and choose the digest in one message, you do:

subscribe pottery-l Doug Jones
set pottery-l digest

That message will subscribe Doug to the list and set him to receive the digest.

Subscribing to the digest on a majordomo list

Majordomo is a much dumber program than listserv. It doesn't keep track of options, it just keeps track of names. As a result, the digest version of a majordomo list is actually a separate list. Messages sent to one list and forwarded by majordomo to the other list, but the lists have separate subscribe files and different list addresses.

The list addresses for a majordomo digest list are:

administrative address: continues to be majordomo@system.dom
list address: listname-digest@system.dom
owner address: listname-digest-owner@system.dom

[Please note that majordomos are frequently misconfigured as far as the digest, so the owner address might not work--just use listname-owner as the owner address.]

So for pottery-l the addresses are:

list address:
owner address:

Now here's the tricky parts:

Because the digest is a separate list, you can't just change your option like you could with listserv. Intead, you must unsubscribe from the regular list and subscribe to digest version. While you can just subscribe to the digest from the star t, if you are already part of the loose mail list and try to switch by just subbing to the digest you will find that you are then subscribed to the loose mail list AND the digest.

To subscribe, from the start, to the digest version, mail majordomo@system.dom with:

subscribe listname-digest

For pottery-l, that would be:

subscribe pottery-l-digest

To switch from loose mail to the digest, mail majordomo@system.dom with:

subscribe listname-digest
unsubscribe listname

So for pottery-l your message would be:

subscribe pottery-l-digest
unsubscribe pottery-l

When you join the digest, you should continue to post to regular list address. You should be able to post by writing to the -digest list address, but again majordomos are often configured improperly so you are best off writing to the loose mail list address.

 List participation guidelines

Please be advised that the below might also be subtitled "Zen and the Annoyed Listowner."  It is a collection of suggestions and pet peeves that for whatever reasons don't get included in the normal "The Internet and You" type books.  Nothing below is gospel, and please don't take offense to anything included

Below are some simple guidelines for participating in email lists. Please keep in mind that if a list has sufficient traffic to generate daily posts, that list will have a list culture. Subscribing to a list is like going to neighborhood bar, or, for you more upscale folks, a wine and cheese party at a friend's. There are ways you behave, and ways you don't behave. These are general notes. Each list may send you a copy of its own policies when you join.

Some of these instructions may seem negative to you. I'm sorry if some give you a bad impression of email lists. Most lists will have several hundred subscribes, ten of which may be a royal pain in the behind. Many of these instructions are meant to guide you away from behavior usually associated with those nasty ten.

One: Read the note on the door

When you have completed the process to subscribe to a list, you will receive a welcome message. Welcome messages differ from list to list, but you should read them when you get them. The most basic welcome message will welcome you to the list and tell you how to unsubscribe from the list. Unless you are an old pro with mail lists and know how to operate the various list software programs, you should save the welcome message so that you will know how to get off the list. Unsubscribing is a simple process, but tasks the minds of many people. Those people would find the process much easier if they would just save the instructions.

More involved welcome messages will tell you more about operating the list administration program--again save this stuff and read it before you ask questions. The welcome message might also tell you about the list, about some of the list members, and a bout the listowner. Finally, the message may contain a FAQ--a set of Frequently Asked Questions that answers the most common questions people have about the list, list software, or, sometimes, the topic of the list. Again, save the welcome message and read the welcome message if their is a FAQ. If you later ask a question on the list that is answered in the FAQ, some people will tell you to just go read the FAQ. Believe it or not, the same questions come up again and again. Don't assume that you and your situation are so unusual that no one has ever been there before. ;)

Two: Get used to your surrounds, but also say hello.

When you join a list, it is a good idea to just read the list for a few days so that you understand the environment you have entered. As I've mentioned, some lists focus on a particular topic, others are more free-wheeling . The best way for you to find out what is he list culture of a list is read the list. However, you can--and are encouraged to--send a message introducing yourself to the list. You don't need a resume--no one is checking your ID. It's just that lists are social in nature, and as in any other social gathering it's a nice touch to introduce yourself. Also, the members of the list do not receive any kind of notification that you have joined. If you don't introduce yourself, no one will know you are there.

Generally, read the list for a couple of days, then introduce yourself, and then continue to read the list for a couple more days, leaving your posting to responses to those that reply to your introduction. Once you feel you understand how discussion goes on the list, feel free to post away. If you notice that the list is very slow and you are not getting any messages to read, then feel free to cut loose. It may be that 100 hundred people are also sitting there waiting for someone else to post. (That happens a lot with new lists. People are used to being to told to not dive right in, but since the list is new no one is posting. So no one ever posts because everyone is sitting around waiting for one another. When you know a list is a new list, you can offer a great deal of assistance by getting posting started.) Which brings us to rule three:

Three: If a message is of interest to the list, send it to the list. If your message is intended for one person, mail that person privately. Do not use the list to chat with one person.

Lists exist to facilitate group discussion. When you and another person are just trading messages back and forth, with the content being of no interest to others than yourselves, there is no reason to involve the list. Email each other privately, directly. There are other times you should email privately, instead of through the list. If someone has annoyed you in one of their posts and you can not respond other than in an angry and possibly offensive way, mail them privately. The person may have made an honest mistake and several hundred other people don't need more negativity. Other obvious examples--if you just want to say to someone "Good post, pal." email them privately. If you and someone else want to trade magazines, or recordings, or books or something, do the deals in private mail. People will post publicly that they have a certain item, but responses belong in private mail.

Four: The new guy/new gal doesn't tell the long-timers what to do.

This happens all the time on classm-l. Classm-l has been around for years. Classm-l is a list made up of people that enjoy classical music, but who don't use the list only to discuss classical music. That's how the list developed years ago, and many of those old-timers are still around. Others haven't been around quite as long, but like that aspect of the list and have stayed on the list. Then some yutz subscribes, sees that the list works that way, and immediately starts bitching that everyone is wasting his/her time, stop talking about all this other stuff, this is a classical music list so only talk about classical music, etc. etc. etc. And the answer is: buddy, this is how the list is, this is how it always has been, cope with it. If you don't like it, unsubscribe. Stop complaining.

And that's the way all the lists are. Some only discuss classical music. Some only discuss piano. Whatever the list topic, don't expect to subscribe to a list and tell everyone on the list what they will now do. The fact that you have joined the list doesn't give you any more power than you have being invited over to friend's place for a party. You don't show up at your friend's house and tell them, "Get a different wine, change the drapes, move the couch over into that corner, and, by the way, stop inviting the Johnsons from down the street b/c I don't like them." It just doesn't work that way.

Five: Lurkers don't set the rules

This is another thing that happens all the time. Someone that has been on the list for months and has never participated, has never posted a thing, and has never offered any contribution to the list suddenly announces "This list stinks b/c it never discusses X. " Or, "This list stinks because people are always talking about Y." If you want the list to talk about something, talk about it. If others are interested, they will join you. If they aren't interested, cope with it. Also, it may be that some are interested, but not in the particular aspect you brought up. Try again. If you want the list to move on from discussing a subject, bring up a new subject. In other words, you can have an effect on the list by participating in the daily conversation on the list, not by sitting in shadows and tossing in an occasional complaint. People that just read the list and don't participate are called lurkers. The active subscribers don't think about lurkers much, and most of the time don't worry about them. They do get very upset, however, when a lurker tries to tell them what to do.

Six: Send unsubscribe messages to the list program. If that doesn't work, write the listowner.

Let's get one thing out of the way--when you join a list you get a message telling you how to leave the list. So no one has hidden anything from you. If you toss away that message and can't find it later, that's no one's fault but your own. The only time the list software can't successfully unsubscribe someone is if that person's system administrators have modified the subscriber's address since he subscribed. So if you can't get off a list, don't annoy the list members, don't complain to the list, and do not send "Get me off this ****ing list" messages to the list. (Yeah, people send those.) If you can't get off the list it is because you lost the instructions on how to do so, aren't following them properly, or your system has screwed up your address--none of which is the other list member's problem. Write to the listowner (I've given instructions above telling you what address to write to), and if you don't get a response (and keep in mind that list owners do this as a hobby, not as a job. You aren't paying them to be on their list--so don't get hot with them if they don't respond immediately to your requests) write to the list asking that someone forward you the list welcome message and/or the unsubscribe instructions.

Seven: Lists are like real life, if you give attitude you get attitude.

Self explanatory. One thing to keep in mind is that some lists (like classm-l) expect you to fend for yourself. So fights end either when one person has beaten up the other, or when the members of the list have become disgusted with one person or both people.

On other lists, offending parties may be contacted by the listowner.

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